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do not necessarily reflect any of the

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presenters or networks opinions

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it is my firm opinion that these

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sightings

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should be investigated most meticulously

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you don't believe that these flying

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saucers actually exist to you and how

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can you be so certain they don't mr chap

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well i i just don't believe it

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our minds should be open on all subjects

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wrong conclusions are usually the result

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of lack of comprehensive analysis

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this is sasha christie and you're

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listening to the paranormal uk radio

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network the uk's biggest paranormal

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network and this is paranormal

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hello and welcome to the show thank you

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for the introduction sasha

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and sasha will be back joining me again

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as a co-presenter for this show um

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i have a guest on a game that was here

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in the spring of this year

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case clark kazzy's back on the show with

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her co-investigator and researcher and

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co-author gary jones the book has just

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come out and this is what we will be

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talking about

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so just before that um thank you for all

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the emails that you send and if you

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would like to get in touch with me

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anytime it's david young 2qn at

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yahoo.com uk

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that's david young 2qn at

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yahoo.com uk

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ok i shall now bring sasha back home

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hello sasha how are you doing

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all right mate

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all right oh you're taking me now aren't

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you

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[Laughter]

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you normally

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yeah pretty mental today

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you're all right so your everything's

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all running all right out there is it

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i wouldn't know i haven't been paying

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attention yeah i would be a bit like me

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down here then really

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yeah i'm just trying to read like at the

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moment because uh you know i'm a little

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bit unpredictable even for me so i'm

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just trying to say i'm staying off

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social media too easily triggered

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and uh i mean i might be right about

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what i'm saying but you know it's just

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like you don't feel like that's um

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yeah i know i know exactly what you mean

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i i i just try to avoid talk with any

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of what you should recall with arguments

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or sort of disagreements yeah i just

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sort of do what i do and

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just sort of yeah i mean i don't know

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what i do

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if you i just thought don't take your

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notes off anything

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really

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same as no people don't take your notes

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yesterday when we took the dogs out

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the sun was out we took the dogs out we

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were absolutely trenched

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yeah yeah it's been bad here and but

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warm weather yeah oh britain has got the

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sense of humor that it has got that

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ironic sarcastic sense of humor because

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of the weather i know i mean i'm pretty

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sure that found this affection

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yes september's been better than august

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heading into october which is going to

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be better than augusta

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it's still pretty wild as well yeah mind

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good job i was like yeah i'm not quite

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anyway tonight is we've got cass clark

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again we had castle

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on the 26th of april which which to be

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honest does it stand there does it seem

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that they will go to you um sasha that

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it seems like it was only a couple of

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months ago but when i looked i'll be the

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bloke it was 26th of april and at that

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time we said oh we're going to get kez

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and gary on and since then a few other

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things have happened and um

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and of course the book is out now so

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i think we ought to sort of waste no

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more time and get casual gary in shall

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come on in from the outside yeah okay

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welcome to the show

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cass clock and gary jones

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how you doing

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well yes

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this is listening to sasha and i we were

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just talking you've got your book out

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like a few months ago we had cass on and

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time seems to have flown

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but i know at the time cares there was

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something going on that you couldn't say

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um is all that in the book now

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yes the majority of it is this is phase

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we're well into phase two which is going

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um i didn't in fact gary and i never

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intended to write a book

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um but it came to my attention that

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others were going to so it was actually

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put together in four days as much as the

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investigation took five years oh well

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really the book itself only took four

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um but yes everything is in there

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discuss some things that i can't say on

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the radio

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but was kind about a stop when it comes

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to going to government at the moment we

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um with some members of the well senate

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and um they wanted some of the original

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photographs that we are unfortunately

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unable to give them so that sort of

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avenue has been closed for us

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next stage will be to put the petition

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and the petition will be to have all of

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the footage released from all of the

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aircraft involved that night as it was

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just an exercise let's all just see it

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was just an example

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enough isn't it

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you say it only took you the four days

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to put the book out or get the book put

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together but you must have had loads of

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notes and things that you've been

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working on over the years so yeah it's

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more than just a four days really

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definitely five-year investigation

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um that i put together in in four days

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while gary and i put together in four

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uh and it's got all of the

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the lies and contradictions that we've

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been told

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by the ministry of defense by the police

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and other authorities

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and it's not my words it's their words

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which is the beautiful thing

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um because it's a

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prime example of the left hand not

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knowing what the right hand is doing

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but everything is in there

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um you can certainly see that they've

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lied on multiple occasions

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and in one fyi they actually checked for

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a second time and confirmed their health

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no information but that was a lie as

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lots of people have heard us talk about

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the evidence but not very many people

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it is actually free on amazon

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um on kindle

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so people can read it for free if you

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remember the library there yes really

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you can read it for free

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yeah i've got a paper copy here for you

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if you want one session oh yeah that'll

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um i i really want everybody to see the

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it's not gary's words or my words it's

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their words and that's the beauty of it

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and they are the genuine documents

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all of the reference numbers are there

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for the freedom of information requests

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so if anybody wants to look them up they

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it's part of the public record

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and i think you'd be quite shocked at

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how easily they've been called out

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of course as we said before when you

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uk so we've got gary on you were a big

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part of this as well gary weren't you

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with this investigation because for the

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started out like you know cars and her

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friends and neighbors and other people

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a few others joined in to do uh parts of

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the investigation but since then

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me and carlos have like for the last

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couple years came together and as you

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can see the um the investigation has

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gone superbly well we put a lot of

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evidence together the book has finally

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come out the website is there we've got

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video presentations and when you

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actually look at it you know we're not

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the ones lying we're proving the ones

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who are lying to us

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you know they keep contradicting

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themselves and they keep

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stepping on each other's toes with the

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information they give us all the answers

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they give us in the fois especially

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it's um it's just there for everyone to

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uh casa really summed this up quite

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beautifully um

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now we've proven this case without

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photographs or videos and i really like

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the way that sums up quite nicely here

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there's nothing else you can say you

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know i mean

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it's all there for people to see they

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can scrutinize it all they want but

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they'll find out that we're the ones

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telling the truth we're proving

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ourselves and

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they're not um

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the ones like the military and the

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government and the police and

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they don't want to tell their lies

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and we're exposing them for it yeah did

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you and did you know each other before

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this or or were you brought together

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through this

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right

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cass wasn't anything to do with the ufo

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community no that's what i remember

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saying the last time yeah

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in fact when it happened i had

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absolutely no clue who to speak to in

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fact i didn't even know you weren't

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supposed to talk about ufos so when the

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cover story went out from wells online

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i immediately

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flew into a comment you know you know i

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can categorically assure you that was no

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exercise

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um

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and

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you know i obviously felt the

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consequences of that directly afterwards

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when i was interrogated

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um and it was an interrogation you know

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the questions were fast and furious i

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didn't have a time at all to think it

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was one question after another after

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another you know

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um

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and afterwards i didn't speak about it

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for 20 months

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not at all

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yeah

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and it was only when gary became

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involved and gary and i didn't get on at

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all to begin with um we locked horns on

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many occasions

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but i'm a strong believer that the truth

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would always prevail and neither of us

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would have gone up this with such

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tenacity

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if this wasn't a real incident

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and it's not done yet

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there's um parts of this explained in

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the book as well so if people want to

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read that

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yeah why we locked homes and stuff but

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you know it's just that um

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it was such an incredible event and the

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way it was being described it sounded

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and i said this to cars it sounded kind

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of fanciful and just it was quite

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quite an intricate uh thing you were

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describing i mean

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i've seen quite a lot of big ufo cases

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like render stream of course

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you know in roswell but this would sound

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like something like that and i was like

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you know but when we find when i finally

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started when we finally started to do

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some you know field research and

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i knew where to start looking with the

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military and stuff it was all just

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coming together and i was like wow this

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you know kaz is really

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really being truthful yeah it's amazing

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and since then it's grown since then

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it's grown you know it's become what it

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is now the book website and

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a very big case indeed yeah i think we

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ought to kind of because i mean it could

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be people out here listening who don't

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know what we're talking or what you're

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talking about so maybe we could go right

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from the beginning how it all set out um

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you know how you came together and

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perhaps what what you saw and what you

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experienced you know for the plenty of

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listeners that are new to this

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um

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and obviously it's going to be something

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that would probably lead them to get

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your book if they

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that's that

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yeah yeah please do yeah and then you

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can sort of say hey you two came

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together and everything and um

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far away

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okay well

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it's called the penn turk incident

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because it began here

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and uh for three days and three nights

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we had two surveillance aircraft that

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took it in turns to monitor the skies

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above our village we had contacted the

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ministry of defense and the mainstream

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media and nobody seemed to know anything

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about it in fact the ministry of defence

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actually ignored us

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and by the third night

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it was quite apparent that they were

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watching for something but we certainly

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didn't expect to see what happened

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i had no belief in ufos

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um in fact one of my neighbors david

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actually thought they were watching for

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russian planes because it was only the

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week before that we turned away to tu

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160 bombers from our airspace russian

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bombers

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um but what

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in pyramid the jettison smaller craft

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two of which approached us afterwards

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the military had set an ambush for it

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pursued them and fired upon them

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without first trying to establish any

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form of peaceful communication

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uh one of the objects that they fired

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upon did actually crash into smilog

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woods the emf evidence that gary has

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found has been quite phenomenal and

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double checked

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i actually contacted the welsh ufo

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network to begin with because i had no

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clue who to speak to about it

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it turned out to be a one-man band and

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mr lee thomas who put me in contact with

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a man called richard hall

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i didn't know who richard was

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um but i understood that he was doing a

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conference in murtha that sunday the

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28th of february

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this happened in the early hours of

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friday morning

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and i decided there and then that was it

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i was going to go and see richard i

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didn't know what he looked like i had no

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clue whether or not i was going to be

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able to speak with him but i i was

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determined to go and at least try

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i spoke to richard

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um

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before the conference started

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and um explained to him what had

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happened and he offered me to speak to

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his audience at the end of the show to

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ask if anybody else had seen or

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witnessed anything

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um at the end of the show that's exactly

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what i did i'd never spoken publicly

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before and richard was stood in front of

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me passing me the microphone

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and i stood up and told the entire

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audience what had happened and gary just

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happened to be there that night

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uh half a dozen other witnesses stood up

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sun said that they saw other lights

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flying around in the skies

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others heard the explosions others too

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found it difficult to get home that

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night because the uniform police had

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closed all the roads um a member of

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staff from the royal morgan hospital

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said that they felt the explosion that

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the explosion was so huge an air

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explosion that it shook the building

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down to its foundations and the smoke

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that came from the explosion was so

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dense

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it came in through the windows and

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through the vents and filled the

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corridors of the hospital with smoke

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this member of staff has gone outside

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and the smoke was falling from the air

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and it was so dense it resembled a foggy

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night

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well

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he was told that the switchboard had

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been called directly after the explosion

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and told that the hospital services were

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not required that this was just an

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exercise

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where nobody had any prior notification

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of this exercise at all

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um there's no digital or paper record of

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this exercise

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and certainly you know the hospital

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definitely didn't know but they have

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since tried to do an awful lot of

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backfilling as well as southwest police

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you know they told us that they couldn't

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find any evidence of the road closures

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yet they know which officers were

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involved

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um i'll pass you over to gary so that he

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can continue from there but that's

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basically what happened that night um

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yeah this is actually the very first

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time i ever

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met kaz clark or knew of her who she was

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yeah i went to the murtha table rugby

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club

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and

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i was listening to richard d hall's

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presentation because

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i always thought they were good

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presentations and then at the end there

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was a q and a session

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what was interesting is that two days

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prior of course we had the major

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incident that kaz

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and dave had witnessed

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but i didn't know nothing about that i

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just knew that the military had been

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building up in the area for quite some

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time you know low-flying helicopters

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planes

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convoys of trucks and you know army

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vehicles and i said what is going on

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yeah everyone was asking the question

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everywhere i went in murtha or ponti or

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in my hometown

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but um of course we get to martha and

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then we get to the q and a session um

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cars get to get a hold of the microphone

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and sometimes people ask what was the

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demeanor like can i say well she was

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quite calm

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and she was quite collected but you can

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tell she was quite

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full of adrenaline she had been through

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something quite incredible

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and she told that audience you know and

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i can't remember exactly the words but

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that there was this ufo event and that

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the military were involved and there was

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this large explosion and

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all these other things and everyone's

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literally just i mean literally i can

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remember this much right everyone just

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stopped turned over and looked at cars

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and i can i can smell the excitement in

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the room it was like wow you know

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and some of the guy who was in the

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audience talked about how the hospital

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had shaken you know because of some loud

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explosion

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filled the rooms with smoke or some

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thick black smoke you know it was quite

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incredible that people were saying all

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this and obviously from there i wanted

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to really get involved in this

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but cars was being

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caused at the end casino council's been

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surrounded by so many people so it's

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quite difficult for me to get to her

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so um i just realized i have to get

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going because my left is uh waiting

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outside they have to get up early and

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the time was getting on so i just

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thought okay if i

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i'll get on computer tomorrow because no

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doubt now this is going to be talked

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about and hopefully i'll find cars that

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way but like i said

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i tried looking for cars online

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couldn't find her anywhere especially on

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facebook i type a name in i'd go to the

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ufo groups and all these other social

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media groups that were interested in

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richard the hall or ufos and nothing

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nobody would find or knew about cass

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clark

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it wasn't until like october 2017 that

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finally contact was made and from there

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you know i would say the real

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real investigation began although i've

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been doing my own work previously trying

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to find uh bits and pieces of uh what i

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00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,840
could find i found some things but i

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didn't find much it wasn't until i got

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in contact with kaz and dave and

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uh donner and steve

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you know when they gave us so much

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information back then it was like okay

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now we got something let's go find it

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and of course

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we did

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metal detector scans i went online and

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had to look for the military and online

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comments

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and from there you know me and cars of

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course

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as cows would say we were locking horns

566
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,159
a couple of times but once we started to

567
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,159
see how it was all shaping together what

568
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,600
carson said and what david said in

569
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,120
particular

570
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:42,960
it just yeah it all came together and it

571
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,840
was um it was good you know it

572
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,600
we started to do our presentations and

573
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,679
started to make our findings public and

574
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,679
it really just uh

575
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,960
showed the world it really showed the

576
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000
people who were listening that you know

577
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,919
there was something incredible here

578
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,760
and of course we did our first

579
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:59,120
presentation and it's been growing ever

580
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,320
since so

581
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,919
if cars wants to come back into this one

582
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,039
she can tell you where it went from

583
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,280
there

584
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:07,200
well initially i didn't want to come

585
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:08,480
forward at all

586
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,600
um

587
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,480
i only spoke to a

588
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,360
small ufo group in wales

589
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,880
because they told me they just wanted

590
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,159
the story

591
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,120
uh for their collection shall we say

592
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,280
and i placed so many conditions on them

593
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,039
that they must come alone

594
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,679
not to record me or photograph me

595
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:29,440
but that's not exactly what happened but

596
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,120
i didn't find that out until much later

597
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,039
um i was actually betrayed on the very

598
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,480
first day

599
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,559
and they outed me and

600
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,559
placed me in such a difficult position

601
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:42,159
because

602
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,919
certain people had contacted me by my

603
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,440
facebook page and asked if they could

604
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:47,280
come out and view the site

605
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:48,240
and

606
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,799
where it happened um i haven't phoned uh

607
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,360
photography but or recorded very much

608
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,120
that people have a right to anonymity

609
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,440
and i was contacted by somebody again by

610
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,840
my facebook page and this guy turned out

611
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:04,240
to be military i'm not joking when i say

612
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,400
that my family and myself was threatened

613
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,960
with perhaps a faithful car accident you

614
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,760
know accidents happen all the time

615
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:15,919
but it was the way that it was said i

616
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,990
yes he said to me wasn't i worried about

617
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:24,840
what was going to happen to me and my

618
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,000
family didn't i know that accidents

619
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,159
happen all the time

620
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,110
yeah

621
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,679
um you know what was it that i wanted

622
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,200
and i said i didn't want anything for

623
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,919
myself i felt that i was on borrowed

624
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,520
time anyway

625
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,000
um i began to

626
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,159
have some very strange health issues

627
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,320
that i hadn't suffered before

628
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,640
and they were little things at first

629
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,520
so i didn't quite connect everything

630
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,280
you know like suddenly becoming allergic

631
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,039
to uh the coatings on a vitamin topic

632
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,880
that i take from my entire life

633
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,799
to becoming anaphylactic when i wasn't

634
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:04,480
before

635
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,360
and

636
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,360
as i say i didn't connect it

637
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:10,000
initially until i nearly died uh new

638
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,789
and then it occurred to me that all of

639
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,039
these changes changes have happened

640
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,720
since that night

641
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,919
because this thing

642
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,240
turned my hair completely white on the

643
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,799
morning of the 27th of february it could

644
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,280
be radiation that's done that i've just

645
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,799
read a scientific paper now where

646
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,000
they've

647
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,320
um exposed mice to high doses of

648
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,960
radiation and their hair or fur had gone

649
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,880
white um where i wanted to remain

650
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,320
anonymous suddenly

651
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,320
i wasn't anymore

652
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,400
and

653
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:45,120
the military clearly knew who i was

654
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:46,159
and

655
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,520
ufo group in wales

656
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,159
actually went on to the same program so

657
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:04,480
i know where it came from

658
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,360
but

659
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,919
i discussed it with gary as to what i

660
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,159
should do and he said look you know the

661
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,080
more public you are now

662
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,039
the safer you'll be

663
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,799
and we have multiple discussions about

664
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,640
it and then it was decided

665
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,640
even though the investigation was far

666
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,480
from complete

667
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,400
that i had to go around the country with

668
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,440
him and present the evidence that we had

669
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,080
and now it's a lot more complete

670
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,400
and if it wasn't real i i wouldn't have

671
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,240
sat three lie detectors you know a lot

672
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,520
of people don't

673
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,240
don't believe in polygraph tests

674
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,000
but they do actually say whether or not

675
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,520
you're being deceptive it doesn't say

676
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,960
whether or not you're telling the truth

677
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,960
or you know but it will detect if you're

678
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,120
being deceptive

679
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,120
but i had to choose

680
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,279
the right polygraph examiner they had to

681
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:52,960
be the best

682
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,919
and i tried the best in europe first and

683
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:57,840
gary was present

684
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,440
um with with others um when i spoke to

685
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,320
this gentleman who actually infer that

686
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919
he would fail me

687
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,919
before he even tested me

688
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,679
his words were actually because you're

689
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:10,880
not going to get the answers you're

690
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:16,710
it was so hard to get a polygraph

691
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,520
examiner to agree to test me

692
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,039
that when i eventually did find a

693
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,159
company that was prepared to do it

694
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,760
i actually refused to discuss the

695
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,360
content of my test with anyone but my

696
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,480
examiner

697
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,640
i thought by the time i'd pay for it

698
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,240
was wired up to the machine it'd be

699
00:25:35,790 --> 00:25:34,159
pretty hard for them to say i'm sorry

700
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,800
but we can't test you

701
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,440
[Music]

702
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,880
um

703
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,840
but i did it primarily for my doctors i

704
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,440
think because i needed them to take me

705
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,200
seriously about what had happened to me

706
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,159
and why my health was deteriorating

707
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,360
um

708
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,799
but i knew that it would help the case

709
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,960
as well

710
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,159
and

711
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,360
actually when the results came through

712
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,039
i had a house full of people and gary

713
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,960
was here as well and it actually came

714
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,440
through via my email first

715
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,120
and i remember the day that i opened the

716
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:07,200
email where it said

717
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,480
truthful no deception and i just burst

718
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,159
into tears because it had been such a

719
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,200
battle

720
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,880
for somebody else to believe me to know

721
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,000
that i was actually telling the truth

722
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,640
it was just a relief to know that

723
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,480
that at last somebody else in the world

724
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,120
knew that i was being honest about this

725
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,120
and if i wasn't then i wouldn't have

726
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,520
pushed this investigation so hard

727
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,520
and challenged the ministry of defense

728
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,840
and challenged the police

729
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,400
and other agencies

730
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,000
and so much so that we've tied them in

731
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,600
knots now

732
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,679
to the point where

733
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,039
we're actually we've actually got south

734
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,039
wales police in a situation where they

735
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,480
can't answer us so they're trying to

736
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,240
hide behind exemptions that don't

737
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,480
actually apply

738
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,600
so we're gonna

739
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,120
write back to them now and give them one

740
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,039
last chance

741
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,799
to tell us or at least answer our

742
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:58,159
questions and if they don't we're going

743
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,360
to write to the commissioner and hold

744
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,520
them in contempt of court

745
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,799
and that's

746
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:05,440
they could be facing criminal charges

747
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,080
um but that's how real this is you know

748
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,559
i think the petition is our last hope of

749
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,320
being able to have questions asked in

750
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,110
and we will do a 30-day countdown for

751
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,559
that petition which will be on the

752
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:21,919
website

753
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,559
for witnesses if they want to come

754
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,760
forward

755
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,200
and they don't have to give their real

756
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,720
names

757
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,279
they want to remain anonymous they can

758
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,520
if they just need to speak to somebody i

759
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,679
i have counselors on standby waiting to

760
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,279
take their call

761
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,679
some people you know like for myself for

762
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,640
example i had no one to turn to

763
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,240
absolutely no one

764
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,840
and i did and still do have

765
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,440
post-traumatic stress

766
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:52,000
and i had no one to talk to about it

767
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,840
and it's a really difficult thing to go

768
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,110
that are all of the people that say that

769
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,960
they're doing something good and doing

770
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:03,840
something about uh the ufo issue with

771
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,200
the the abduction you know problem and

772
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,120
there's literally nobody there there's

773
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,640
no nothing

774
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,799
i think that was that was the shocker

775
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,120
for me when i first came to the ufo

776
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,320
community and i was looking for someone

777
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:19,919
who

778
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,279
just listened or be interested you know

779
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,880
like you would think that the ufo

780
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:27,120
community would be interested in a ufo

781
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,159
event

782
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,159
and it was just none of the above i was

783
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:32,799
so angry like what the hell has everyone

784
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,240
been doing for 17 years right

785
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,000
that's one of the things that's that's

786
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,840
really uh got to me a little bit that

787
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,520
i've only been involved in the ufo

788
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,440
community for five years

789
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,200
and in that time it seems to me that

790
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,360
everybody is interviewing everybody else

791
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,279
and it's all the same stories going on

792
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,880
over and over again

793
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,200
but no one is doing anything

794
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,039
no one is doing anything

795
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,960
um

796
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,320
yeah we've tried to take it to

797
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,080
government and we've been blocked by a

798
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:03,440
ufo group that have these supposed

799
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:07,200
original photographs by a unit

800
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,240
um

801
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,559
by a witness that night who wishes to

802
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,720
remain anonymous

803
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,159
um but they will not give us the

804
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,960
originals to authenticate we have mps

805
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:19,440
asking for those photographs so they can

806
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:26,149
you sort of you brought this forward and

807
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,360
you know you

808
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,520
put this case to a point where people

809
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,200
were saying that they didn't believe you

810
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,279
but then

811
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:35,039
and people said who didn't believe you

812
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,559
said that there's a better witness now

813
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,320
what this thing turned your life

814
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,919
completely upside down and then all

815
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:41,679
you've got is a lot of people trying to

816
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,440
cannibalize you and steal your evidence

817
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,240
and you know it's outrageous and this is

818
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:50,960
just what the scene is it's so toxic

819
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,669
i mean i have felt suicidal at times not

820
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,039
because of what happened to me but

821
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,200
because of people

822
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,679
i have been attacked by trolls and

823
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,559
debunkers for the last five years and as

824
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,159
i've said before and i will probably say

825
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,559
it again if this was just the story i

826
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,760
would have written a novel and put it

827
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:13,120
under fiction and i wouldn't have to

828
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,950
believers around you

829
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,440
and that's what they do they just feed

830
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,919
into a certain set of people and some

831
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,840
people will accidentally get involved in

832
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,919
it and then realize it's a lot of tosh

833
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,360
if they're you know if they're just

834
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,159
story spinners and then they'll move on

835
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,000
but won't make a scene

836
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,640
um and even if they do make a scene a

837
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:38,720
whole group of people will cannibalize

838
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,080
that one person making the scene so

839
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,000
always the witnesses that are attacked

840
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,159
and yet the presenters

841
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,240
need the witnesses testimony to to be

842
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,960
able to present it for the glory yeah

843
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,520
and for me that that is wrong we need to

844
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,760
come together as a community personal

845
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,440
feelings should not come into this we

846
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,760
need to stand together it's time that we

847
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,519
approached our government with a

848
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,080
petition with at least 10 000 signatures

849
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,840
and demand the truth

850
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,919
i that's exactly what i'm going to do i

851
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,200
want questions

852
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,360
in parliament like this

853
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,279
yeah well i think questions have been

854
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,279
asked in parliament before

855
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,679
but they weren't pushed i mean

856
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,279
we've literally got

857
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:22,080
um it's been on the news now

858
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:23,200
you know the whole thing with the

859
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,559
pentagon

860
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,960
so you know why can't we have these

861
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:28,799
questions asked why you know why do we

862
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,669
what i find dangerous is that the

863
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,519
ministry of defense did a secret study

864
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,519
of ufos called the con dyne report that

865
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,000
you're probably both aware of

866
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,919
and they lied to parliament and said

867
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,760
that they had no interest in ufos that

868
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,440
there was no study

869
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,120
so they lied to parliament they've lied

870
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,720
to the mainstream media and they lied to

871
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,640
the general public about it and it was

872
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,320
real

873
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,159
and then multiple times they stated

874
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,640
within that consign report that ufos are

875
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:00,960
of no defense significance and are not

876
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:03,919
repeat not a threat so how they can hide

877
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,200
behind section 26 defense is beyond me

878
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,559
i think the thing is they may have

879
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,360
publicly lied to the parliament but they

880
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:14,080
probably were talking behind the scenes

881
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:20,710
we would like to think yeah because what

882
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,159
they did that night affects everybody

883
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,240
you know the military do not own this

884
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:27,679
planet

885
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,799
you know

886
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,840
our leaders do not own this planet it

887
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,519
belongs to all of us and what they did

888
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,440
that night involves every single human

889
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:37,760
being on this planet

890
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,710
there's been quite a few

891
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,760
large ufo incidents with the when they

892
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,480
are large objects

893
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:49,760
how

894
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,600
outrageous when when we saw that in

895
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,720
wales it was absolutely freaking massive

896
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,200
yeah afterwards i was just like

897
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,679
they lost that they can't not speed that

898
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,320
up on radar somewhere

899
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,760
with something

900
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,640
you know or even coming into the

901
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,840
atmosphere

902
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,600
going out on this

903
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,279
eo whatever

904
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,360
what the hell how can they not know i

905
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,919
don't believe that they they're unaware

906
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:22,480
they know just let's spend their

907
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,269
something did occur that they just can't

908
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,799
talk about it otherwise they would just

909
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,640
say there isn't any

910
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,480
information on that

911
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,360
well i had the ministry of defense to

912
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,360
um on the fourth year anniversary

913
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,279
presentation that gary and i did here in

914
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,559
penn turk

915
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,559
and on that particular night it was a

916
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,399
very poor turnout because the weather

917
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,320
was extremely bad

918
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,120
and so they actually stood out as

919
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,960
someone that i've never seen before

920
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,320
and they did so

921
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,480
for their for personal reasons but i

922
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,679
mean if they were there for personal

923
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,600
reasons why say they were from the

924
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,720
ministry of defense you know it didn't

925
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,880
make sense but in fairness to them if

926
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,360
they were as in every other witness i

927
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,280
will not disclose what they look like

928
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,760
only to say that it was one man and one

929
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,200
woman

930
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,760
and the man was trying to say to me or

931
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,040
perhaps what you saw was a drone

932
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,560
thinking that perhaps i'd seen these

933
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,639
objects from a distance

934
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,280
um so i said well unless they can make

935
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,440
drones the height of this this room you

936
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,440
know and six feet wide can fly

937
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,320
completely silently and change color

938
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,159
and then i'd have to concur eyes but i'm

939
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,919
yet to see us build a pyramid that can

940
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,800
fly

941
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,639
and his head dropped but afterwards she

942
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,399
came up to me the lady

943
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,079
and she took me by the hand and she said

944
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,159
the minister defense do know

945
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,079
i said well i know they know because i

946
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,399
was there and i saw them

947
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,599
and she said i wish there were more

948
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,960
people like you in the world that would

949
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,560
stand up she said because the people

950
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,240
should know the truth

951
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,919
and when she walked away from me it was

952
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,520
like she had the weight of the world on

953
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,920
her shoulders and i suddenly felt

954
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,359
quite sorry for these people that

955
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,640
they're in these positions where they're

956
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,800
forced to lie

957
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,040
and and that needs to change because

958
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,680
this involves everyone and i said in my

959
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,359
very first speech

960
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,680
um you know they can release 95 percent

961
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,680
of it and perhaps there's five percent

962
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:15,520
that people aren't ready to hear

963
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,950
people need to know the difference if we

964
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,480
have enemies

965
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,119
or there are hostile extraterrestrials

966
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,599
then we should know the difference

967
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,119
so if there are hospitals perhaps

968
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,640
there's a hotline that we can phone and

969
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,480
say well actually you need to get your

970
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,280
butts over here because this is going on

971
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,960
but uh all right

972
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,960
i i was stuck with a taxi driver once

973
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,320
and i mentioned that we were talking

974
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,760
about wherever i was probably going to a

975
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,520
conference or something and mentioned

976
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,760
aliens and he freaked out and it was

977
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,000
genuine almost panic

978
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,640
where he demanded that i not speak of it

979
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,640
because he was too frightened to even

980
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,839
think of it

981
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:56,800
so

982
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,480
of people who are not involved we all

983
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,560
think that you know we're all ready for

984
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:07,440
this but most people haven't even got a

985
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,320
clue

986
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,119
don't even know what roswell is you know

987
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:13,760
unbelievable but you know

988
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,119
a lot of people are not even thinking

989
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,920
that this is even a possibility reality

990
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,400
or too frightened of it so i'm not

991
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,760
convinced

992
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,079
especially with our governments and the

993
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,160
way that they handle things that the

994
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:29,839
truth

995
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,200
is going to be helpful i just think it

996
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,880
is not i don't mean that the religions

997
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,560
would collapse the banks of bloody blood

998
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:38,880
all that i mean i mean people just tend

999
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,599
to be frozen in places with their

1000
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,160
you know own apathy all the time

1001
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,040
but you know it's a bit much if you've

1002
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,440
really never even thought of it before i

1003
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,839
agree we need to come together as a race

1004
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:53,680
we're not the only ones and it would

1005
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,400
give

1006
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,960
our children direction

1007
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,400
um

1008
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,400
you know we're not top of the food chain

1009
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,240
and it's hard time that's what we've

1010
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,400
been talking about i've got kids around

1011
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,320
me all the time they're not frightened

1012
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,359
of the idea of it it's the older people

1013
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,480
you know that seem to be fruits

1014
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,320
i mean

1015
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,480
if they really like technology we could

1016
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,079
inhabit other planets you know

1017
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:20,160
overpopulation problems just about

1018
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,359
solved

1019
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,040
um it would

1020
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,119
steer our children into the sciences

1021
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,280
that that they will need

1022
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,880
for space travel i'm not saying that

1023
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,640
everybody would want to

1024
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,320
but certainly that's the way the human

1025
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,000
race is going well

1026
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,079
definitely going in that direction isn't

1027
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,880
it so yeah and kids are born with all of

1028
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,880
this stuff at their fingertips you know

1029
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,560
people i still see people saying uh

1030
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,640
people kids today they don't know no

1031
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,160
i'll tell you what we don't know what

1032
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,079
bomb they're the ones who've grown up

1033
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,480
with this yeah the fingertips [\h__\h]

1034
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,119
little babies you see mums have to give

1035
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,640
babies their funds because they're all

1036
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,800
flashy and shiny and the babies just

1037
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,240
won't leave you alone so they get their

1038
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,560
phones from being like six months old

1039
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,320
and then they can figure that out from

1040
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,560
that age well i've had five children two

1041
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,520
grandchildren i've watched them doing it

1042
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,079
so you know

1043
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,240
well i didn't have technology when i was

1044
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:14,000
growing up you know and with mobile

1045
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,119
phones you have to have a separate

1046
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,640
handbag

1047
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:19,520
for it you know

1048
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,320
um

1049
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,839
i didn't even

1050
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,320
was growing up

1051
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,640
exactly you know it's her technology has

1052
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,119
come on leaps and bounds

1053
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,839
um but i think it's it's time that we

1054
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,680
were told that we're not alone i think

1055
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,440
the pentagon have done the right thing

1056
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:36,400
they

1057
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:41,760
public that ufos are real

1058
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,560
um

1059
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,000
but they're not saying where they're

1060
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,079
from or who they are or what they're

1061
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:48,960
doing and they do know

1062
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,400
i spoke to sasha earlier today um

1063
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,560
he he actually publicized the fact that

1064
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,079
the united states and air force are

1065
00:39:02,290 --> 00:38:59,119
monitoring a frequency to know when

1066
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,300
these quote ufos are going to appear

1067
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,440
[Music]

1068
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,480
um

1069
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,800
because i'd always question how did they

1070
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,000
know

1071
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,839
that these craft were coming here

1072
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,440
specifically

1073
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,000
and they are monitoring a frequency the

1074
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,839
satellites are

1075
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,920
in communication with the e3 sentries

1076
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,000
the aywax planes

1077
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,960
directly so they can steer these this i

1078
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:25,040
star project directly to where they need

1079
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,079
it to be

1080
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,079
and so their responses the surveillance

1081
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,480
aircraft the two e3 centuries one of

1082
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,400
which is from nato

1083
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,400
is always involved

1084
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,320
um and whatever else they need there's

1085
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,720
this huge i think there are 28 task

1086
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,480
forces worldwide

1087
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,040
that are dealing with this phenomena 24

1088
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,720
7. so that tells you how big this is

1089
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,520
um

1090
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,880
yeah i mean and that should be on

1091
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,400
mainstream media shouldn't it i mean

1092
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,920
nobody ever talks about it on mainstream

1093
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,760
media unless they want to take the take

1094
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,520
the mickey out of it

1095
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,079
well right i think you know with the

1096
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,560
types of people that were involved in

1097
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:01,839
arctic

1098
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,720
they've put a serious conversation on

1099
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,920
the table

1100
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,079
unless giggling

1101
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,839
you know so i think if anything

1102
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:13,920
we might not have really got disclosure

1103
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,960
or anything near it but i think this

1104
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,000
whole

1105
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,599
bubble of stuff has elevated ufology

1106
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,680
from the gutter

1107
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:25,200
which you still deserve because it's

1108
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,319
terrible

1109
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,359
but

1110
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,160
the discussion is

1111
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,319
now high-end you know i mean it's not

1112
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:34,000
just your blogger

1113
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,880
um

1114
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,640
so i think

1115
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,640
that's our best takeaway from all of

1116
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,599
that at the moment yeah indeed and you

1117
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,200
know what have the military done this is

1118
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:44,560
the point that they've been shooting

1119
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,079
these things down since the 1940s

1120
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,240
as far back as i can go but maybe before

1121
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:51,440
then

1122
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,560
and that is an act of hostility on our

1123
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,880
part um i think they were targeting

1124
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,200
radar on them in the in the 1940s and

1125
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,680
discovered that brought them down

1126
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,720
um

1127
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,960
yeah i heard that

1128
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,280
uh are we in trouble you know is that

1129
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,599
why that you know suddenly we've got

1130
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,440
space force and

1131
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,520
in in the public eye i mean now not the

1132
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,160
secret space force but an actual space

1133
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,760
force that if you join the air force you

1134
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:20,240
can actually be part of you know they're

1135
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,599
doing all of this without our knowledge

1136
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,760
and without our consent

1137
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,440
and we pay for it

1138
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,069
yeah well there's other stuff going on

1139
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,240
that is far more sinister

1140
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,480
so yeah i mean there's a lot to unpack

1141
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,599
there

1142
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,960
yeah indeed

1143
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,680
they have been visiting us since ancient

1144
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,319
times i mean there's so much ancient

1145
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,079
evidence that these

1146
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,960
people from the stars came here

1147
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,400
um but there's also a lot of negative

1148
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,920
stuff that's going on people are being

1149
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,440
abducted

1150
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,359
and some people are not returned well

1151
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,359
people as thousands of people disappear

1152
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,880
every year don't they in fact you know

1153
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,880
probably get into the museum every year

1154
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,400
yeah tens of thousands of people

1155
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,599
well they reckon there's millions of

1156
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,960
people don't know millions of people go

1157
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,480
missing every year we don't know why but

1158
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,240
so many of them never

1159
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,520
found again we don't know where they've

1160
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,960
gone

1161
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,520
there's lots of reasons why

1162
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,480
with such a massive volume there it's

1163
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,680
quite it makes you think

1164
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,839
i think senator richard blumenthal said

1165
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,880
it best in the senate hearing with

1166
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,800
general dunford when they were going for

1167
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,599
the funding for space posts

1168
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,400
and it was the way in which he said

1169
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:37,119
we know what they are doing our

1170
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,400
adversaries

1171
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,640
what they are doing and they know that

1172
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,400
we know what they are doing but the

1173
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,800
american people have no idea and if they

1174
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,800
did there would be some great concern

1175
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,800
we're all human beings and we are one

1176
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,560
race and if anything happens to this

1177
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,240
planet as a whole

1178
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:54,880
you can wave bye bye

1179
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,760
but i think people are at risk

1180
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,680
i think we've been foolish and naive to

1181
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,640
believe that all life forms are benign

1182
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,880
some families are destroyed by this

1183
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,920
stuff yeah let me tell you i'm speaking

1184
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,920
it's coming from one

1185
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,040
you know being the matriarch of one

1186
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,680
destroyed family because i was destroyed

1187
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,560
by all this yeah you had an horrific

1188
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,240
experience sasha

1189
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,560
never mind life as well all the [\h__\h]

1190
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,480
that went on in my life

1191
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,520
you know it's just this in you know in

1192
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,560
like normal life yeah and attacks for it

1193
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,720
as well yeah

1194
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,960
it's just too much it's too much in

1195
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:37,599
people malfunction carrying the burden

1196
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,680
of the knowledge of this phenomena

1197
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:42,880
and

1198
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,160
some of the surrounding subjects

1199
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,839
and people

1200
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,200
on the scene

1201
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,119
are damaging

1202
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,440
the whole thing is just shocking yeah i

1203
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,160
i am not i am shocked

1204
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,119
completely immeasurably forever and ever

1205
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,640
and you can't do anything about that

1206
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,200
you've got no choice now it's just been

1207
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:06,079
like landed on you here i have that

1208
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,790
you know oh my god that is not even the

1209
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,000
point

1210
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,359
what matters is what is happening

1211
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,880
some people have said to me how can you

1212
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,200
recall with such detail

1213
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,960
and i've always said well if you have a

1214
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,599
traumatic experience in your life

1215
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,000
it doesn't matter what it is

1216
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,200
you will remember that day in detail

1217
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,839
whatever that trauma is in your life

1218
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,599
you're in there forever and it will play

1219
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,079
every day in your head forever

1220
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
like you know how can you remember well

1221
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,520
i can remember because my brain won't

1222
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,599
let me forget actually because just

1223
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,079
every single hour of every single day

1224
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,400
for years it's just going to play out

1225
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,319
over and over and over again

1226
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,400
until you're just completely insane with

1227
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,960
that you know that's what it does unless

1228
00:45:02,550 --> 00:44:58,560
you can get the counselling unless you

1229
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,560
can afford to get help or if you somehow

1230
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,800
just manage to be okay with it but some

1231
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,359
members are just not okay this happened

1232
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,160
on my doorstep literally

1233
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,359
and uh it will always be there and i

1234
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,240
can't escape it i just can't and i've

1235
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,920
been placed in a situation now where i

1236
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,440
have to go forward

1237
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,599
and i will for all of us

1238
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:23,839
i will go and keep going and keep poking

1239
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,720
the bear until i get an answer

1240
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,440
because your brain won't let you blow

1241
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,359
your heart won't let you leave it alone

1242
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,599
you know and people go about on about

1243
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,200
motivations that i don't have a

1244
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,760
motivation i can't stop myself

1245
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,720
it's not even me wanting to even do this

1246
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:43,359
because i really don't i hate it i hate

1247
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,800
everything that he's done to my life and

1248
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,720
everything that he's left me with

1249
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,880
but i've got no choice because i'm just

1250
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,160
stuck with it

1251
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,359
as as a permanent you know and it can

1252
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,359
override everything in my day i have to

1253
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,800
find ways to override it because it just

1254
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,839
saturates you it changes you and you

1255
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,160
just feel driven to do something it's

1256
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,720
not even planned it's not calculated

1257
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,319
just got to

1258
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,200
do something because i can't sit here

1259
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,680
not doing something i don't even know if

1260
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:15,680
anything that i ever do makes any bloody

1261
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:19,359
difference to anyone it just helps me

1262
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:20,079
get

1263
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,160
i'm literally with it because i'm not a

1264
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,040
choice i can't put it down i can't

1265
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,800
pretend it never happened

1266
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,640
right you know what if post traumatic

1267
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,920
stress does to you and this is what

1268
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,920
people don't get you know like i've

1269
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,280
tried to say well if there's a war

1270
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,720
veteran who's suffering with post

1271
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,160
traumatic stress

1272
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,760
he can come home and get counselling

1273
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,319
because i can get help you know but you

1274
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,319
put that war veteran back into a war

1275
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,160
situation and he's going to go straight

1276
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,319
back into ptsd

1277
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,359
um

1278
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,040
you know that there's no profit in the

1279
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,880
book for me at all i didn't do it for

1280
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,560
profit otherwise it wouldn't be on

1281
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,000
kindle for free um i did it because

1282
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,560
everybody has a right to know the truth

1283
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,319
and i want the people to see the

1284
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,760
evidence which is why it's all in the

1285
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,280
book it's not a story it's a

1286
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,599
presentation of the evidence in their

1287
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,560
words not mine i think we i think most

1288
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,800
of us know that very few people make a

1289
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,440
lot of money out of ufology um you know

1290
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,119
there's only the very few names that

1291
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,200
might sort of make a a good living out

1292
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:21,280
of it um i don't know of any that make

1293
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,870
um we know quite a few people in the

1294
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,160
business don't worry if you want to call

1295
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,920
it a business well it was very important

1296
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,040
to have uh you and sasha you know kez

1297
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:34,960
and sasha on the same show together

1298
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,079
because you both suffered a lot of um

1299
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,520
stress and trolls on facebook etc

1300
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,440
um and i think gary did to a certain

1301
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,359
extent as well didn't you gary

1302
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,280
no i've been attacked and i've been

1303
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,200
trolled and i've had my abusers and this

1304
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,640
and that but to be honest it's like

1305
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,160
whatever ducks back to me now because

1306
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,680
i've had it for so long

1307
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,920
i just don't pay attention to it

1308
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,119
because what can you do well they're

1309
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,319
going to say what they want to say

1310
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,839
they're going to do what they want to do

1311
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:00,800
and

1312
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,319
i don't feed them i don't feed the troll

1313
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,680
because at the end of the day they just

1314
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,520
want a reaction they'll use any little

1315
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,200
word or any little sentence and they'll

1316
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,520
forget the whole story you know and all

1317
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,400
the

1318
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,400
all is just look for one little thing

1319
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,599
and that becomes the basis of their

1320
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,440
argument so i just don't bother with it

1321
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,800
it um i mean i i i find myself i've come

1322
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,280
under more of um

1323
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,640
attacks on my machine you know i've

1324
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:28,720
noticed that uh certain things i've ever

1325
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,549
there's so many computers since i

1326
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:36,000
started working with carson is funny

1327
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,520
enough i've had several hard drives and

1328
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,960
computers go funny on me even though

1329
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:40,240
they were all some of them were brand

1330
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,040
new

1331
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,200
as well and you know it's just like

1332
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,640
what's going on i think somebody taught

1333
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,680
the heck you just now because you

1334
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,640
required

1335
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,880
um i'll just read a little bit from the

1336
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,640
from the back of the book yeah in my

1337
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,079
summing up

1338
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,160
and i've said the evidence is vast in

1339
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,760
this case and i would ask you to

1340
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,839
scrutinize it closely

1341
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,760
the truth is right here and i ask you to

1342
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,160
find it within these pages

1343
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,079
if there is nothing to hide why have

1344
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,400
they lied and lied again and in some

1345
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,640
cases confirmed for a second time and

1346
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,240
still lied

1347
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,000
i put it to you not only the authorities

1348
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,079
lied in this case and have covered up

1349
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,319
the truth but the military knowingly and

1350
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,640
expectantly intercepted and engaged a

1351
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,559
huge pyramid ufo and the crafted

1352
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,359
jefferson that were not hostile

1353
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,040
and without trying to first establish

1354
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:29,200
any form of peaceful communications

1355
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,040
pursued and fired upon it without mercy

1356
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,800
it is time for truth exposure in this

1357
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,720
country and across the world

1358
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,400
time to at least try to correct what has

1359
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,559
been done before it is too late for us

1360
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,960
in our children our planet and the

1361
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,880
entire human race

1362
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:47,119
i ask you to be my judging jury in this

1363
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,000
case

1364
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,240
and to seek the truth in this matter and

1365
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,160
to find the only answer that really does

1366
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,480
make any sense at all is the pentagon

1367
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,800
qfo instant of 2016

1368
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,680
above and beyond any reasonable doubt

1369
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,800
was real

1370
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,280
but that's just uh some you know i could

1371
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,359
go into some of the evidence and some of

1372
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,520
the lies that they've told hmm yeah

1373
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,720
would you like to give us a couple of

1374
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,160
samples of that i mean you don't want to

1375
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,920
give too much the book away of course i

1376
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:13,440
know although we can read it for nothing

1377
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,040
on kindle i'll i'll just read this very

1378
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,880
quickly then if i ask you to be a

1379
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,880
jewelry member in a court of law

1380
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,640
i would ask you to set aside your

1381
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,240
personal beliefs and try this case on

1382
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,480
the evidence put before you i would

1383
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,280
remind you the jury if a witness lies

1384
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,880
you can throw out all or part of their

1385
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,960
testimony but which part would you

1386
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,000
believe

1387
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,920
if multiple witnesses are caught lying

1388
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,240
under oath it is a conspiracy to cover

1389
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,680
up the truth

1390
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:41,839
no official governing body or emergency

1391
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,359
service received any prior notification

1392
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,920
national resources for wales lied about

1393
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,760
why the trees were failed in smiler

1394
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,800
woods there is no plan on health notice

1395
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,319
the police lied about any knowledge of

1396
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,400
road closures that night whilst knowing

1397
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,800
which officers were involved

1398
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,800
the military defense relied on several

1399
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,960
official government documents multiple

1400
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,880
times and this is part of the public

1401
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,839
record

1402
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,680
they lied about having any knowledge of

1403
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,119
the planes over penn turk in the

1404
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,559
preceding days

1405
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:12,000
they lied about hovering low over

1406
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,520
people's homes in the early hours of the

1407
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,920
morning they lied about exceeding the no

1408
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,559
tam by at least 50 miles something they

1409
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,079
would never do

1410
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,559
the mod lied about sending a clean-up

1411
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,800
crew to the fields of penn turk and lied

1412
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,880
about their identity whilst in the films

1413
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,160
of pento

1414
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,079
they modi lied about knowing who the

1415
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:32,160
people were in the fields of pentuke and

1416
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,440
when checking for a second time

1417
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,599
confirmed no information was held but

1418
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,119
that was a lie too

1419
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,960
they also lied about the simulated

1420
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,119
munitions causing the explosions that

1421
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,079
shook people's homes and the hospital

1422
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,079
and the answers they did give all fell

1423
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,480
within the realms of section 26

1424
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,640
not in the public interest well i

1425
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,160
believe it's very much in the public

1426
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:54,400
interest and these are all things that

1427
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,510
those are just some of the lies that

1428
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,520
they told

1429
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,040
i mean you certainly lay it on the line

1430
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,480
there for them are you going to be

1431
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:06,800
sending a copy of your book to the

1432
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,559
police etc read what you said

1433
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,240
uh not until we finished our

1434
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,839
investigation

1435
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,880
um

1436
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,040
and it's still ongoing gary and i are at

1437
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,720
present in the middle of doing the

1438
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:21,200
second phase of the investigation um

1439
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,559
because there's been an awful lot of

1440
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,160
backfilling

1441
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,680
attempted by the ministry of defense and

1442
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,000
the police and the hospital

1443
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,319
um and so we're in the process of

1444
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,520
dissecting that which is it just gets

1445
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,760
funnier as you go along you know the the

1446
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,200
more likes they tell the deeper the

1447
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,800
whole yeah and the deeper the more

1448
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,520
they're just ending up very yeah can i

1449
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,440
can i maybe just uh there's something

1450
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,920
not in the book but something that i was

1451
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,680
working on now

1452
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:50,079
very interesting uh show we did a show

1453
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,200
with uh

1454
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,440
kev baker one time and cars introduced a

1455
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,960
really interesting piece of evidence

1456
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,359
where you found that um

1457
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,520
the forestry commission had failed an

1458
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,280
area that was not supposed to be further

1459
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,960
they said it had large disease in that

1460
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,440
area but you found the maps and the

1461
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,720
points of years they were supposed to be

1462
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,160
cutting things down there was nothing

1463
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,760
for that area where the impact site is

1464
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:12,480
isn't it that's right okay

1465
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,800
now um i was looking uh on a couple of

1466
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,599
websites and i was wondering about this

1467
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,160
beechcraft king of 350 king aircraft the

1468
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,720
one we call uh the snake the snake 48 or

1469
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,720
that's a418

1470
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,559
now i found a very interesting page and

1471
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:30,559
i've actually managed to locate it here

1472
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,760
because i remember when we were doing um

1473
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:35,599
when we were doing our initial searches

1474
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:38,480
online i found a section on uh

1475
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,359
the way was it current lasted yeah yes a

1476
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,040
lot of the story had been deleted but

1477
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,800
somebody had posted it on facebook and

1478
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,960
the comments were all there and some

1479
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,319
comments were on other places and i

1480
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,319
found someone named um

1481
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,319
well moyer i'll just call it that

1482
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,839
the name is in the book

1483
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,839
um now her father was a patient at the

1484
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,359
hospital

1485
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,640
and he he recalled hearing gun shots not

1486
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:05,040
missile or big bangs i mean that did

1487
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:06,000
happen

1488
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,920
hearing something like machine gun fire

1489
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:12,000
now this man worked in the raf and he

1490
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,440
knows the sound of what these things

1491
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,680
sound like and he was quite unnerved by

1492
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:18,240
this now it was around the time that

1493
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,960
after the pyramid craft uh left the area

1494
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,480
and

1495
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,599
the

1496
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,079
snake 48 plane had gone over to

1497
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,480
uh the smile goods area because

1498
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,160
smiling woods is

1499
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,760
quite interesting if he didn't have the

1500
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,760
pancreatic field smiling would be a very

1501
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,440
interesting case on its own

1502
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,040
you'd have a lot of evidence there and

1503
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,520
what what i discovered here is that um

1504
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,880
with this

1505
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,040
plane that we're talking about shadow r1

1506
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,040
is sometimes what it's called

1507
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,599
it's so secretive and it's not very much

1508
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,280
known about the kind of capabilities

1509
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:53,839
this plane has but i did find something

1510
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,960
on a raytheon's uh air force technology

1511
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,160
website and

1512
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,400
it tells me that this particular system

1513
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:02,799
has something called um

1514
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,839
infrared system synthetic aperture radar

1515
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,559
inverse synthetic aperture radar

1516
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,520
uh that's quite a lot to to go into but

1517
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,400
the basic the basic thing of it is it

1518
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,119
says on one website here iso technology

1519
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,839
uses relative movement of the target

1520
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,280
rather than the emitter to create the

1521
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,040
synthetic aperture

1522
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,720
it says the iso antenna can be mounted

1523
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,160
into airporn

1524
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,079
platform alternatively iso can also be

1525
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:30,160
used by one or more ground based antenna

1526
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,280
to generate this

1527
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,319
2d or 3d radar image of an object moving

1528
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,480
in the field of view now this particular

1529
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,319
radar can cut through

1530
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,520
cloud

1531
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,760
follow it foliage forest and any other

1532
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,920
thick area right

1533
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,720
and it can create a 2d 3d radar image of

1534
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,400
something in the area now this is what

1535
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,160
i'm getting at

1536
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,160
cars

1537
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,240
uh showed that in the radar returns when

1538
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,319
the plane left the pentagon field it

1539
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,079
went over to

1540
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,319
the smile was area

1541
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,240
it circled that area and the circles got

1542
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,200
smaller didn't it cause yes okay

1543
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,200
right now this is two interesting points

1544
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:09,200
here right we've got

1545
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:10,400
um

1546
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,359
the emf trail that follows into the

1547
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,200
impact site but also if you follow it

1548
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,280
back it goes to the royal morgan

1549
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:18,640
hospital where that big explosion

1550
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,520
happened

1551
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,799
and all the buildings shook and the

1552
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,880
smoke and everything and lancers and

1553
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,880
comments to the right of the on the map

1554
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,400
anyway

1555
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:28,400
the point i'm getting that here is that

1556
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,440
it's

1557
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,960
very likely and i would even say this is

1558
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,720
true that that green object that managed

1559
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,880
to distract all the other planes and let

1560
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,240
it over

1561
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,079
uh northwesterly the one that fired the

1562
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,079
three strobes cars yes

1563
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,599
i've said right this is this is how i

1564
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,559
piece it together that it went that way

1565
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,799
it must have i i do strongly believe it

1566
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,200
hid in the woods because as soon as the

1567
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:50,559
the plane that was circling the one that

1568
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:51,440
was

1569
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,119
snake 48 it immediately went over to

1570
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,040
that area and the circles got smaller

1571
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,440
and smaller and smaller until eventually

1572
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,680
it seemed all the aircraft

1573
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,040
got to that area and one of the

1574
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,799
helicopters was firing machine gun

1575
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,880
bullets at the forest trying to force

1576
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,720
this thing up because they from the 2d

1577
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,880
3d radar they knew exactly how to

1578
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:13,040
pinpoint it

1579
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,319
that's that do you see do you understand

1580
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,720
what i'm saying david stanton yeah yeah

1581
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,799
yeah yeah it seems to me they were able

1582
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,799
to target it and manipulate it

1583
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,960
and with all the other aircraft sort of

1584
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,559
like forming a perimeter around it with

1585
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,760
the

1586
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,079
one apache helicopter was

1587
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,559
told i remember someone telling me this

1588
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,480
so it was hovering solo close the houses

1589
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,480
just low and below the trees

1590
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,079
and it seems to me very clearly that

1591
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,160
they were trying to force this thing out

1592
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,480
using the machine guns right

1593
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,400
finally got it to come out

1594
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,400
and then of course they were clicking

1595
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,079
what's the patchy's main thing it can

1596
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:48,240
hide below come up out of nowhere and

1597
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,440
just target you would hit you with

1598
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:52,000
something very powerful and that's where

1599
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,599
cars i do believe is correct the

1600
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,160
brimstone missile has been used

1601
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,000
because it's a very short it's a very

1602
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,359
small missile

1603
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,680
it's about six or seven feet and it can

1604
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,480
be mounted very very lightly and it goes

1605
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,839
subsonic speeds which is about a

1606
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,839
thousand miles an hour at least very

1607
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,520
quickly and the way it can impact the

1608
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,280
target is very specific it can either

1609
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,760
explode on impact explode before impact

1610
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,599
or it can impact the target explore it

1611
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,960
from the inside

1612
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,319
whatever they use that night you know

1613
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,839
clearly it was able to shoot it back

1614
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,000
down to the forest

1615
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,040
and that's what was all i think

1616
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,799
one thing is clear that it was not a

1617
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,760
simulated munition no the apache was

1618
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,920
caught in its own kinetic wave which is

1619
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,760
why it had to do an emergency landing at

1620
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,319
cardiff international airport and such

1621
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,040
was the size of the kinetic wave it set

1622
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,520
the car alarms off in neighboring

1623
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,640
villages

1624
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,960
this was not a small explosion this

1625
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,119
explosion was enormous we're not just

1626
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:48,720
talking car alarms

1627
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,160
in translucent but in vega and talbot

1628
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,240
green and in neighboring villages all of

1629
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,760
the car alarms were set off by this

1630
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,280
kinetic wave

1631
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,920
it's you know not just one or two you

1632
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:01,040
look out your window and all the car

1633
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,240
alarms are going off in the street

1634
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,599
that's a huge

1635
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:06,000
shaking going on

1636
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,799
um

1637
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,359
so simulated munitions do not have any

1638
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,520
kinetic energy at all

1639
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:13,599
and it was very kind of richard hall to

1640
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,280
actually go out in june of 2016 to film

1641
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,440
the police counter-terrorism drill where

1642
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:22,240
they were letting off fake or simulated

1643
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,440
munitions

1644
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,160
um and i've seen more smoke to be fair

1645
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,960
firework and the noise certainly didn't

1646
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,640
register on the richter scale 40 miles

1647
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,760
away in monmouth this explosion did

1648
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,240
i mean that is an enormous explosion and

1649
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,839
i think the reason why it registered on

1650
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,599
the richter scale even though it was an

1651
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,079
air explosion was because it shook the

1652
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,839
royal morgan hospital which as you know

1653
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,720
goes down multiple levels underground

1654
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,480
and an earthquake will register from a

1655
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,960
fixed subterranean location and that's

1656
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:52,480
why it registered on the richter scale

1657
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,830
because the hospital is south shook

1658
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,599
[Music]

1659
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,000
and this was no small explosion to be

1660
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,920
heard from five miles away i heard it

1661
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:04,000
here in penn turk

1662
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,119
um

1663
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:07,920
but it was an enormous explosion

1664
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,119
and they clearly shot at something

1665
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,559
and the only thing that went in that

1666
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,559
direction was the green object that

1667
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,000
first came out of the pyramid that

1668
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:18,000
deliberately got the plane's attention

1669
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:19,280
to follow it

1670
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,559
i believe it was a deliberate decoy or a

1671
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,799
sacrifice

1672
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,760
for the

1673
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,359
to draw the aircraft away from the

1674
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,520
pyramid itself and the and the loaded

1675
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,440
jettison

1676
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,280
and the fact that those objects were

1677
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,680
trying to hide from the helicopters i

1678
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,359
think is quite sad

1679
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,440
if the carl winston witnesses

1680
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,280
do have the video

1681
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,680
and it does turn out to be real

1682
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:45,440
i i'd very much like to see it i think

1683
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,640
the world should see it because this

1684
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:48,400
object this pyramid flew over their

1685
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,520
house

1686
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,680
and it had some of these barrel-shaped

1687
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,680
objects with it

1688
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,920
one of the green barrels tried to hide

1689
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,000
in the field next to their house

1690
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,160
and the helicopters were sweeping left

1691
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:02,079
and right across the field searching for

1692
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:02,720
it

1693
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,160
westward again in fact all of the

1694
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,760
barrel-shaped objects were herded

1695
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,760
together by the military

1696
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:15,440
and they were pushed west they were

1697
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,640
witnessed um in betas in bridgend

1698
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,799
heading west they were witnessed in port

1699
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,280
albert heading west being pursued by

1700
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,599
military jets and helicopters

1701
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,680
basically being pushed out to sea

1702
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,680
as i say the military would never exceed

1703
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,119
in no time

1704
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,200
um and no time is there as a notice to

1705
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,559
airmen

1706
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,240
too so that other

1707
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,079
aircraft are not put in danger by

1708
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,839
military aircraft nobody's allowed

1709
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,160
inside the no time area just military

1710
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,319
aircraft but they would never exceed it

1711
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,680
because they would be put another

1712
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,359
aircraft at risk

1713
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,040
but they did that night

1714
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:51,280
by over 50 miles

1715
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:53,119
over 50 miles and they continued going

1716
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,480
west tonight to see they actually went

1717
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,119
over swansea and out to sea

1718
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,280
well one report sorry one report that i

1719
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:01,119
got is um

1720
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:02,559
that i saw in the comments they probably

1721
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,920
went as far as west wales you know all

1722
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,240
the way down to the coast of uh what do

1723
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:09,440
you call it um tambie area

1724
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,480
no

1725
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,839
so

1726
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,200
what will they do with that far outlook

1727
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,640
this is dominicans

1728
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:16,720
massively exceeded the no term

1729
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,160
which in an exercise they would never do

1730
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,799
um this was not an exercise this was

1731
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,400
real life

1732
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:26,559
and the no time was put in at the last

1733
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:30,400
minute just inserted in the last minute

1734
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:34,000
um there was no mention for south wales

1735
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,000
in exercise chameleon

1736
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:38,480
exercise chameleon was listed for durham

1737
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:42,160
in the north of england 310 miles away

1738
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,119
and

1739
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,520
the week before the week before

1740
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,440
uh the incident here

1741
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,920
there was no mention in south wales then

1742
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,240
and they would never do an exercise over

1743
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,799
a residential area in the early hours of

1744
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,440
the morning for one reason

1745
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,400
in case of accidents

1746
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,160
we've got our men have got sunbridge to

1747
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,319
stop the road 30 miles up the road which

1748
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,640
is mod land if they want to go and blow

1749
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:08,240
themselves up they're quite welcome to

1750
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,599
do so

1751
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,960
but they would not do it over a

1752
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,960
residential area next to a hospital well

1753
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:15,119
you'd hope though

1754
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,640
the only reason they would do it is if

1755
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,720
they were real if they were there for

1756
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:21,119
real life they would never ever ever do

1757
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:22,160
it on

1758
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:23,599
on a i mean

1759
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,039
they would never do it over a

1760
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:27,760
residential area at night because what

1761
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:31,200
car said the fear of uh damage to human

1762
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,960
life all the

1763
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,559
accidents and everything they've got

1764
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,559
plenty of lands they can practice on

1765
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:38,559
anywhere they want and yet they chose

1766
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,039
when we asked him in an foi they said

1767
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,440
oh um certain landscapes meet the

1768
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,799
criteria that we need in order to

1769
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,480
conduct operations or something to that

1770
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,720
effect but i'm like land features this

1771
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,720
is bloody this is wales for god's sake

1772
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,000
you know this is

1773
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,520
this is this is the valley's area you've

1774
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,760
got so many areas of the same thing what

1775
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,599
is this mountain 10 feet taller than

1776
01:04:02,789 --> 01:03:58,559
that

1777
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,799
apache helicopter had to do an emergency

1778
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,200
landing at cardiff international airport

1779
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:07,280
with his cockpit on fire

1780
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,799
you know this this one of our best

1781
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,799
gunships and one of the best gunships in

1782
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,440
the world and there it is with a cockpit

1783
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,680
on fire having to do an emergency london

1784
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:18,240
at cardiff international instead of raf

1785
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,520
st athen

1786
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,520
you know which is just a few miles away

1787
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,760
so there was an accident that night and

1788
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,599
god forbid it went into somebody's house

1789
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,240
or they didn't make the airport you know

1790
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:31,039
um but the fact is that they use

1791
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,119
live munitions that night

1792
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,880
typically they use lag munitions which

1793
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,240
is illegal

1794
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,400
they're not even allowed to carry live

1795
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,319
munitions over a residential area let

1796
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,799
alone use them

1797
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,680
um

1798
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,880
there's some sorry guys there's

1799
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,079
something else to add to that isn't

1800
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,760
there um

1801
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:49,920
we've mentioned this a few times

1802
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:52,240
can you imagine you're a surgeon and

1803
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,920
you're working on a very delicate part

1804
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:56,240
of someone's body at night or a long

1805
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:57,359
surgery that goes through and then

1806
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,799
suddenly the hospital shakes and you're

1807
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:00,480
like oh my god i've just slipped you

1808
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:02,079
know you probably licked an artery or

1809
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:03,440
damaged someone

1810
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,359
uh in surgery i mean

1811
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,039
this this is

1812
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,079
this is one of the things that um

1813
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,440
it's one of the things that we're

1814
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,960
finding out with the fois now i mean is

1815
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:14,720
it okay to talk about these cars with

1816
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:17,599
the notifications um i i wouldn't

1817
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:18,799
discuss

1818
01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:21,440
what we're doing right now okay i want

1819
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,960
to concentrate on holding them in

1820
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,480
contempt at the moment they're not

1821
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,160
answering but it's certainly something

1822
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,760
you want to point out like i can see

1823
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,880
that

1824
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,799
yeah with the distortions say this much

1825
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:32,240
you know i mean

1826
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,119
it's like

1827
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,280
they they they would never do it even

1828
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,760
for those reasons you know i mean

1829
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,960
if you're if you're if you're in

1830
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,799
intensive care or you're performing

1831
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,640
surgery you certainly wouldn't do that

1832
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,599
that's one of the reasons you wouldn't

1833
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,680
do it on a residential area because you

1834
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:47,680
can imagine the um the headlines in the

1835
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:50,720
morning you know army causes hospital

1836
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,839
surgeon to deform a patient in surgery

1837
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,200
or something

1838
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,520
you know hence the back filling and they

1839
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,000
do perform neurosurgery at the royal

1840
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:01,520
morgan hospital

1841
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,720
you know that's one of the things they

1842
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,559
do do and

1843
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:06,880
microsurgery whether it be brain surgery

1844
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,440
or spinal surgery you know

1845
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,440
they do this center of microscope for

1846
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,119
god's sake if

1847
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,880
that building shook and they were doing

1848
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,880
an operation at the time they could have

1849
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:18,880
easily given somebody a stroke or

1850
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,520
paralyzed somebody hmm

1851
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:23,200
you know

1852
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,640
with the the cut i mean it's not just

1853
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,079
the cars jumping i mean the one thing

1854
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:30,640
that uh made me stand out two things

1855
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:31,920
from the comments especially that one

1856
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:34,240
person in richard hall's

1857
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,480
thing that he didn't just say

1858
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:38,559
oh there was a little shaking he said

1859
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,960
the walls shook the big thick wooden

1860
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,440
doors the fireproof one shook the

1861
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:45,119
fixtures and the windows were literally

1862
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:46,559
rattling like someone playing a bass

1863
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,920
guitar very loud you know you haven't

1864
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:48,720
seen them

1865
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,839
kind of thing

1866
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,680
you know you're not just talking a small

1867
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,200
thing here and

1868
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:54,960
something else that's come up since i

1869
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:55,680
mean

1870
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,400
laura wrote of the paranormal scholar

1871
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,400
yes yes

1872
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:02,240
amazing video and it's

1873
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,680
garnered a lot of attention a lot of

1874
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:05,200
comments and some of them are very very

1875
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,480
um well thought out and well detailed

1876
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,480
they say to us

1877
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:11,680
that um

1878
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,880
you know the paper the amount of

1879
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,280
paperwork that would be needed

1880
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,119
to conduct an exercise of this this

1881
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,280
scale the amount of assets the military

1882
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,359
acids on the ground in the air

1883
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,119
and everything else

1884
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:25,280
would be phenomenal i mean just

1885
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,400
i mean

1886
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,400
just to even get one helicopter here was

1887
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,760
like like you know a week's worth of

1888
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,920
paperwork and a headache of signatures

1889
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:33,359
anything and you're talking something

1890
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,319
like that like a small invading army

1891
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,400
over here and

1892
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:40,000
as much as i hate to say this you know

1893
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,839
on meta bank right they did bring up one

1894
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,200
interesting point but then i immediately

1895
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,880
found how stupid it was

1896
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,799
when uh they said it's customary for the

1897
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,280
military to clean up their uh

1898
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,680
to clean up the mess that they make

1899
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,440
i didn't realize right it was customary

1900
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,200
for them to remove rubbish from the

1901
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,720
lanches and common that's been there for

1902
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,319
years

1903
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,000
right but the council been asked to

1904
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,240
remove for years and years and yet along

1905
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,960
comes the army we asked him in an foi

1906
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,960
why did you gather all the scrap metal

1907
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,079
that's been there for years and put it

1908
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,240
into a neat pile to be moved away they

1909
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,400
hid behind section 26 it's not in the

1910
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,559
public interest to know why it is they

1911
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,000
must collect rubbish that's usually the

1912
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,480
council's job well the interesting point

1913
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,640
then since you've brought up the metal

1914
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,319
search is that people have gone out with

1915
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,560
metal detectors on on the common

1916
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,640
uh in recent months

1917
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,960
and they haven't found as much as a

1918
01:08:31,709 --> 01:08:30,719
bottle top

1919
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:31,719
nothing

1920
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,960
on that common

1921
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:39,520
that night they did a meticulous metal

1922
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,400
search

1923
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,960
every piece of metal that was on that

1924
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,040
common was picked up and what they

1925
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,120
didn't need they they neatly cut up and

1926
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:49,120
stacked along the roadside

1927
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,560
um

1928
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,880
i have spoken to a witness

1929
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:54,640
that lives in the area

1930
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,040
that filmed and photographed what the

1931
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:59,520
military was doing that night

1932
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,480
um

1933
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,880
i would like that person to get back in

1934
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,560
contact with me

1935
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,640
they do have a video i would very much

1936
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,560
like to see it

1937
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,000
um and again

1938
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:12,640
their identities will be kept anonymous

1939
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,600
if they don't want to be known publicly

1940
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:17,679
and i will promise to do that as i have

1941
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,839
with all the other

1942
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:21,279
witnesses um

1943
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:23,199
you know until such time as they can or

1944
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,480
will

1945
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,400
come forward

1946
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,719
and i'll just say also that um since me

1947
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:30,000
and cars have been doing this a lot of

1948
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,359
people have told us

1949
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,880
and honestly things that we've never

1950
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:34,640
revealed in names we've never broken

1951
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,679
secret secrecy or an anonymity

1952
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,359
you can rely on us that much you know we

1953
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,279
will never ever reveal your details if

1954
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,719
you only choose to let us you know what

1955
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,799
i mean so

1956
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:46,319
because i know people got information

1957
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,839
that we that would help this case

1958
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:49,120
immensely but

1959
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,480
it's just a question of trust and

1960
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,239
whether or not you know

1961
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,920
they're willing to come forward but i've

1962
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,280
always said

1963
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,760
i mean cars have never broken anonymity

1964
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,679
we've never revealed anyone's identities

1965
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,360
or secrets unless of course instructed

1966
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,679
to do so so

1967
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,440
i hope that will uh you can go to the

1968
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,840
website you can post anonymously you can

1969
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:09,440
tell us what you know

1970
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,199
and we'll take it from there you know so

1971
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,360
i've already said you know people don't

1972
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,520
need to tell us their real names i'm

1973
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,120
really not interested in people's real

1974
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,560
names if they don't want to be known

1975
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:21,920
publicly then

1976
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,960
um for their own protection if they feel

1977
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,719
they don't have to tell us their name

1978
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:28,560
they really don't

1979
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,239
but any bit of information is is value

1980
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,880
valued information you know just to find

1981
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,880
out that all the car alarms went off in

1982
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,480
neighboring villages

1983
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,640
may have seemed incidental to some

1984
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,920
people

1985
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,040
but to us

1986
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:45,199
it proves the kinetic wave

1987
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,640
not only with the shaking of people's

1988
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,480
homes that shook people awake in their

1989
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,719
beds in their homes

1990
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,120
um but to set car alarms off in

1991
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:54,719
neighboring villages means the light

1992
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,159
explosion was huge

1993
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,320
of course you can't put a simulated

1994
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:02,159
mission in the air which is well let's

1995
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,880
talk

1996
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,640
let's start i mean when you when you say

1997
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,640
simulated cars in it it's also like with

1998
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,480
the emf i mean

1999
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,400
when we first did the emf it was just a

2000
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:12,719
means of looking around the penn turk

2001
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,520
fields area where you and david saw that

2002
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,760
large craft and the path it took in

2003
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:19,920
everything else

2004
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,679
i mean we came down there a few times

2005
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,280
and then finally we got an emf detector

2006
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:24,640
and we started looking around and it was

2007
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,480
like all the surrounding fields by the

2008
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,840
the bush by the

2009
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,320
gate entrance and the tree

2010
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:34,000
yeah those two had signals but once we

2011
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,199
got into the area where the craft had

2012
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,159
been seen moving along left to right

2013
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,400
that's where we found a ton of signals

2014
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:42,640
didn't we yes we mapped it all out now

2015
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,920
this what i'm getting at here is

2016
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,280
i wanted to make sure that when we did

2017
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,520
this it was very thorough we did metal

2018
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,080
detector searches

2019
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,679
i was looking at british geological

2020
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,159
survey maps uh even ancient

2021
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:58,159
burial maps or something is there

2022
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,760
anything in this ground that will tell

2023
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,360
me that there's a false positive reading

2024
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,080
coming from somewhere underground cables

2025
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,159
water water

2026
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,640
flow or something anything i could not

2027
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:10,640
find nothing at all and i did the same

2028
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,440
thing for smile awkward now

2029
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,400
some of our work got put into doubt

2030
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,239
later on because someone was suggesting

2031
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,560
that uh the emf detector that we used

2032
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,880
was not calibrated to the certain

2033
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:25,199
specific range

2034
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,239
and

2035
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,400
i was like well hang on no no no no i

2036
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,560
know that emf thing works right

2037
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:32,320
there's no one is going to tell me that

2038
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,760
we did not go

2039
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:35,679
thoroughly through every procedure that

2040
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,520
would allow us to say that our emf was

2041
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,440
not accurate it was accurate okay i

2042
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:43,040
think i think what it is there's a

2043
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,320
no-name

2044
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,800
band of emf detector that looks very

2045
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,040
similar to the one that we use and that

2046
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,040
is faulty

2047
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,440
but then name brand doesn't work

2048
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,560
and i think that's what they were

2049
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,280
implying was that the emf detector that

2050
01:13:01,189 --> 01:13:00,080
we used was that brand or unnamed brand

2051
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,199
i should say

2052
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,560
um when it wasn't and gary has done a

2053
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,280
fantastic job by testing the ef mf meter

2054
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,040
that we use

2055
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:11,040
with a more expensive one and this

2056
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:12,480
no-name brand

2057
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,520
against

2058
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:15,840
television sets and you know electricity

2059
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,800
meters and microwaves yeah and the one

2060
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,440
that we use is actually giving the same

2061
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,360
reading as the more expensive one and

2062
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,360
the no name brand doesn't actually work

2063
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,800
at all

2064
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,880
so whoever made the complaints on amazon

2065
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:30,560
that the no-name brand doesn't work was

2066
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,760
absolutely right

2067
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,840
but we double checked it and we had to

2068
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,480
double check our equipment to ensure

2069
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,080
that our readings were correct and they

2070
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,880
were and 20 months after the event

2071
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,520
emf in those fields were still

2072
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,520
harmful to human beings

2073
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:47,440
because the whole team were made ill

2074
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,719
from being in there

2075
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:50,560
from headaches and nausea to burning

2076
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,480
skin and burning eyes

2077
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,239
you know and dizziness and

2078
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:55,920
disorientation

2079
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,239
and all of these this is from the emf

2080
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,000
it's all well it's not it's not just

2081
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,000
that is it it's that um

2082
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,560
obviously we scanned uh the pantech

2083
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,080
fields quite a lot because it's just you

2084
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:07,600
know it's not it's not too far away from

2085
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,320
uh

2086
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,400
where you are but the smile was one

2087
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:12,159
right i mean what was interesting is i

2088
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:13,360
did the same thing

2089
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,400
this is how you know because i keep

2090
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,920
telling people right once we eliminated

2091
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,800
all

2092
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,960
possible things right whether it's a

2093
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,800
tower or an electrical cable or

2094
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,880
something under the ground

2095
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,320
we've gone through this with a fine

2096
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,640
tooth comb now it's like oh this is

2097
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:28,320
something we need to map it out so we

2098
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,679
mapped it all out with a grid reference

2099
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:31,520
search left to right up and down across

2100
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,719
the fields in two sections each

2101
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,159
and

2102
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:38,000
you you see the map in the book you know

2103
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,440
we found clusters and then we found a

2104
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:41,600
trail and amazingly the trail follows

2105
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,600
the path that cars and dave said the

2106
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:46,159
craft went on that night and went to

2107
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,360
where the handler lightning came down

2108
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,280
that's what we call the ball patch

2109
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:51,280
now what's really interesting also is

2110
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,320
that

2111
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,080
i'm surprised we found this

2112
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,239
is that when we went to smiler woods

2113
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,080
right and where the

2114
01:15:00,880 --> 01:14:59,679
the

2115
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,890
uh and

2116
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,000
[Music]

2117
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,320
i think with stevia you found a trailer

2118
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,400
broken canopies and other branches and

2119
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:08,320
it'll lead right into that uh impact

2120
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,920
site of course you have video of that

2121
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,120
and that's where your hair is turned

2122
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:12,960
white yeah

2123
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,400
we've gone into that area about 20 20

2124
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,320
minutes 22 months maybe two years to the

2125
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,719
day you know scanning that area because

2126
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:22,080
it takes a while to do this stuff you

2127
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:23,600
know you don't just do it in one day

2128
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:26,239
you've got to do multiple scans and

2129
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,280
obviously when you're doing multiple

2130
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,199
scans in an area that's got emf harmful

2131
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,440
to you you're getting very sick as well

2132
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,000
you know and um the point i'm making is

2133
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,199
that over time you know i find the trail

2134
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:39,280
that comes from the impact sites that

2135
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,719
goes all the way back to electrician

2136
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:43,120
common and of course if you follow in it

2137
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:45,199
goes to the impact side you know you

2138
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,880
can't make that up but then you see the

2139
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,159
trail

2140
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,159
in the second and third field in panterk

2141
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,320
that follows the line of the craft that

2142
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,159
cousin dave saw

2143
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,719
and it impacts highly at the point where

2144
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:58,159
the lightning came down the hand of

2145
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,679
lightning that cast described united to

2146
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,199
try and stop itself

2147
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,880
that was the strongest point of it all

2148
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,000
and

2149
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,000
over time all that's dissipated it's

2150
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:08,000
completely gone you cannot find it

2151
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,520
anymore

2152
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:11,760
and it's just amazing right you cannot

2153
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,719
make that up you can't falsify it you

2154
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,800
can't synthetically

2155
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:19,040
uh duplicate it you can't do nothing

2156
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,040
right either that's there naturally or

2157
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:23,040
something has put it there as soon as

2158
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,880
that we've ruled out all man-made stuff

2159
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:26,719
and all natural made stuff the only

2160
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:29,360
option left is that this was a craft

2161
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,239
that

2162
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,040
had some anti-gravity kind of technology

2163
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:34,800
with an incredible

2164
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,040
emf field surrounding it right

2165
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:39,040
yes given its size and shape and

2166
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:40,159
everything

2167
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,440
that's why you know that's why i'm not

2168
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,360
surprised it left it but when cars and

2169
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:45,280
dave were describing it to me i said i

2170
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,040
wonder if it's still there and yeah you

2171
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:48,480
read it in the book you see it on the

2172
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:52,080
website you see it in the presentation

2173
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:53,679
one presentation that i did do a video

2174
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:55,040
that was separate to all the others but

2175
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:55,840
just

2176
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:58,480
i call it the emf enhancement video

2177
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:01,040
just to show how we did all this

2178
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,080
and you can't make it up it's impossible

2179
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,520
but i don't care what anyone says you

2180
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:06,960
can say it's a faulty meter but i've

2181
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,960
already just proven that one you know

2182
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:11,040
what's left

2183
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,560
what is left i mean that is a

2184
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,920
significant piece of evidence right

2185
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,320
there you tell me what's left and the

2186
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,320
interesting point is as well is that two

2187
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,239
days after the book went live bearing in

2188
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:22,159
mind that i've been here for over 20

2189
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,440
years now

2190
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:25,520
that the field where the ball patches

2191
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,560
was absolutely leveled by unknown farmer

2192
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,880
he was not the usual farmer

2193
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,560
and they have leveled the field

2194
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,000
completely

2195
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,239
um there is a video on my facebook page

2196
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:38,719
of that the day actually happened

2197
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,280
um again

2198
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,120
evidence of absence is it where they

2199
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,840
just want to destroy everything

2200
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,920
uh as they did with the trees and smiled

2201
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,800
woods

2202
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,400
well the timing is a bit suspicious

2203
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,880
isn't it yeah very i mean literally

2204
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,520
literally it's even literally 24 or 48

2205
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,760
hours i went up there myself i look

2206
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:59,280
around i was like what

2207
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:01,600
on earth

2208
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,440
yeah there's nothing in that i mean look

2209
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,960
feel you know if you're gonna say the

2210
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,719
farmer did to increase grazing

2211
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,640
opportunity for the sheep well i'm not

2212
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,840
being funny the sheep don't spend that

2213
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:11,280
much time in there anyway they're in the

2214
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,400
other fields where there's plenty of

2215
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,040
grass there's no reason to destroy that

2216
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,360
area or cut it or trim it or anything

2217
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:19,120
they've gone in there and they've cut

2218
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,640
all the snake weed grass type of stuff

2219
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:24,000
and they've just left

2220
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:25,760
a little outline of the ball partially

2221
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,400
but

2222
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:28,400
they've destroyed it

2223
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:29,920
yeah they haven't touched branding

2224
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:32,239
fields

2225
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,600
they've destroyed it they've destroyed

2226
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,840
that evidence

2227
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,440
i basically don't see why now because

2228
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,880
there's nothing there

2229
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,280
i was referring it to the patch after a

2230
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,760
while because the emf signals have gone

2231
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,520
the grass in the the flowers are really

2232
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,880
starting to grow back maybe that's why

2233
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,159
they did it because now it's looking

2234
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,239
healthy again but obviously it ain't

2235
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:52,640
because they decided to chop it down

2236
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,520
yeah

2237
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:55,120
well certainly raises a lot of questions

2238
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:56,800
doesn't it you know everything you've

2239
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,840
said

2240
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,000
um you know just it just makes it

2241
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,920
weirder and weirder

2242
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,600
it's certainly a massive case i don't

2243
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:05,520
really understand how it's avoided the

2244
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:07,600
mainstream media that you know

2245
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,880
so yeah to be bigger than it actually is

2246
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,800
well i think with all things with the

2247
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,480
mainstream media they all seem to be

2248
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,040
reading from the same song page

2249
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,960
um you know and if your

2250
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,800
evidence doesn't fit their official

2251
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,400
narrative you're not going to get heard

2252
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:23,920
by the mainstream

2253
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,719
um i have done some filming with sky

2254
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,320
i've also done some filming with a

2255
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:30,719
reputable firm in canada and i can't say

2256
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,440
any more than that um at present because

2257
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,440
i'm still under contract

2258
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,760
and needless to say it will be aired

2259
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:39,520
some of it will be aired later this year

2260
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,800
in the autumn

2261
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,040
and some of it will be aired in canada

2262
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:45,600
and the northern united states uh next

2263
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,880
year

2264
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:49,120
um so hopefully you know more people

2265
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,199
will get to hear about this case

2266
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,760
i have been shadow banned

2267
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:55,840
i'll give you a little example of that a

2268
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,520
paranormal scholar who did the short

2269
01:20:04,070 --> 01:19:59,760
documentary film for me

2270
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,080
um i've had 815 000 views on that video

2271
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,199
so the penthouse instant information is

2272
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:09,440
very hard to find gary couldn't find me

2273
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,719
for 20 months and i wasn't hiding

2274
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:14,880
just that i've been shadow banned when

2275
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,760
that one video alone is had 815

2276
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,520
000 views wow

2277
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:21,440
and you know how i am with searches i

2278
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,199
can find a lot of information on the

2279
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:25,199
internet because i understand how

2280
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:26,800
how their um

2281
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,520
algorithms and their meta tags and their

2282
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:31,600
various words actually work

2283
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:34,080
but it's just amazing i mean

2284
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:37,520
you type in cars clock or clock or cars

2285
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:38,400
or

2286
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,280
car

2287
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:41,199
method or something nothing was coming

2288
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,560
up and even though people were talking

2289
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:43,760
about it on

2290
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:46,480
south wales awakening and there was talk

2291
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,639
about it on the whales online and some

2292
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,400
bits of it were being shared and here

2293
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,639
and there it's like why is i know cass

2294
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,480
is using a facebook account to post

2295
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:56,880
comments on that line why can i not find

2296
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:57,760
her

2297
01:21:02,870 --> 01:20:59,120
on

2298
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,880
answering her or seemed to be agreeing

2299
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:04,639
with her i thought they seemed to be

2300
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,040
using a social media account

2301
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:09,040
um couldn't find them i i did look for

2302
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:10,239
them as well but it's like i couldn't

2303
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:12,000
find no one it's like what's going on

2304
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,600
here yeah she couldn't have blocked you

2305
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:15,280
could she because she didn't she didn't

2306
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,880
know you because you didn't know you

2307
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,600
were

2308
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,280
no i didn't block anyone

2309
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,760
i had no idea at all in fact the link

2310
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,040
was only made

2311
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:25,280
when that very small ufo group in wales

2312
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,960
had posted a blog to say they were going

2313
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,639
to do a sky watch on top of the garth

2314
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:29,840
mountain

2315
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,239
and i placed a comment underneath simply

2316
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,800
to say it's a good place to be and that

2317
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,400
was where they were able to make contact

2318
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:38,320
with me

2319
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:40,000
but um

2320
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:43,520
i wasn't a member of any ufo groups at

2321
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,600
all because i had no interest in the

2322
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,600
subject at all

2323
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:49,440
um so it really did

2324
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,159
turn my world upside down and i concur

2325
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,320
with sasha 100

2326
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,400
how it changed my life

2327
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:59,040
i had no idea that i had post-traumatic

2328
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,400
stress

2329
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,800
until really

2330
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,639
i caught myself when i when i ripped

2331
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,639
into that commanding officer from

2332
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,000
vodafone

2333
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,400
and i just went from zero to a hundred

2334
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:12,239
and then i realized actually there's

2335
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,440
something wrong

2336
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,239
you know it's changing me as a person

2337
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,440
you know i look back at some of my

2338
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,120
presentations the one that i did in

2339
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:21,600
cornwall for example and i cringe

2340
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,440
because i am so angry and and and i

2341
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,199
think it's time

2342
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,280
that we did get angry i mean it's time

2343
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,520
that we actually took it forward

2344
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,199
and started to ask our government

2345
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,760
seriously for answers

2346
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,480
because nothing is getting done you know

2347
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,080
it seems that some groups are only

2348
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,639
interested in collating the information

2349
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,199
and not doing anything with it

2350
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,040
and there are thousands of people in

2351
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:49,120
this country that have been affected

2352
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,960
millions of people across the world have

2353
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:52,800
been affected

2354
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:55,120
and it's high time that we were told

2355
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,320
something

2356
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,040
instead of this blanket denial

2357
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,679
um that still goes on today and it's

2358
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,520
getting serious if they're shooting

2359
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,600
these things down yeah i mean i remember

2360
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:07,360
the last time you were on the show i

2361
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:08,960
know i knew you'd been through a tough

2362
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:11,199
time um but i didn't realize quite how

2363
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:12,159
much

2364
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:13,760
you've been through until you explained

2365
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:16,000
it and i was quite shocked actually

2366
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,960
um

2367
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:18,639
you seem to have gone through a tough

2368
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,600
time like

2369
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,600
very much like sasha dude that's that's

2370
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,920
why another reason that you know i like

2371
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,320
having you both on the show together

2372
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,400
is i actually sought such a right

2373
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:30,880
because i have such an affinity with

2374
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,400
that woman she gave me some really

2375
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,480
brilliant information and i've never

2376
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,480
forgotten her words when she said cuz

2377
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:40,239
it's a process

2378
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,760
and eventually you will come out you

2379
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,159
decide but how long that will be

2380
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,600
no one knows

2381
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,239
you know she's an extremely wise woman

2382
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,560
if i have any questions it's sasha that

2383
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:52,800
i go to i think she's absolutely

2384
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:55,040
brilliant at what she does

2385
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:55,840
um

2386
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,560
i i absolutely do feel

2387
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,239
that we've gone through a very similar

2388
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,880
experience together it's affected us in

2389
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,639
a very similar way

2390
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:06,560
i still have ptsd

2391
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,910
i sought her out because i know sasha

2392
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:15,760
doesn't take any messing about from

2393
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,719
anyone

2394
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,280
you know and if someone is a liar

2395
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,199
sasha is the one that will find them out

2396
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,120
and i know for a fact that you just

2397
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,120
saying what you said sasha won't be

2398
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:26,880
feeling big-headed about all this she'll

2399
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,120
she'll sort of feel quite um

2400
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,760
um please do you say it but not yeah i'm

2401
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,920
not in a big heady sort of way

2402
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,159
she's my go-to yeah you know i i sort

2403
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:38,480
sasha out because

2404
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,920
i know that she

2405
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:42,159
can smell a liar at a thousand paces i

2406
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,000
can't say that's always been the case

2407
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:46,320
but now after what i've been through

2408
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,800
with lions and even nick pope said that

2409
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,120
um i got trolled more than him and worse

2410
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:54,000
than him a lot saying something i

2411
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,760
couldn't see it from the outside so i

2412
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:58,080
don't know what it looked like but um i

2413
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,480
know how it felt yeah

2414
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:02,080
it's crazy

2415
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,440
but as you know it comes with a

2416
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,960
territory doesn't it when you when you

2417
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:07,199
start um kind of making a

2418
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,840
and

2419
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:09,760
if it whether it's a big name or a

2420
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:11,360
little name you're gonna get your trolls

2421
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,400
whatever

2422
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:14,000
you know

2423
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,920
yeah yeah i know

2424
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:18,159
if you if you're you know changing

2425
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:19,600
something if you're

2426
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,920
telling people that the things that they

2427
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:24,239
believe are not right

2428
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,280
um

2429
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,600
people don't like that but actually

2430
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,120
quite a lot of people

2431
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:31,120
are willing to

2432
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,080
um

2433
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,000
you know change the mind

2434
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:36,560
and then some people definitely will

2435
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:39,600
never change the mind

2436
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,280
we'll just be horrific you know

2437
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:45,040
i've always said i'm not here to

2438
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,480
convince anyone

2439
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,239
i'm here to inform you

2440
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:49,760
that's one of the reasons why i wrote

2441
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,639
the book i i wanted the evidence to be

2442
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,239
as it is i didn't want it to be

2443
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
corrupted by anybody

2444
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,920
i wanted people to be able to see it for

2445
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:59,920
themselves at the moment they're trying

2446
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:02,159
to hide behind exemptions and they've

2447
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:03,600
actually said there's the southwest

2448
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:05,920
police and their latest one

2449
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,760
um that they can neither confirm or deny

2450
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,280
that they hold the information well

2451
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,120
that's not how a freedom of information

2452
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,920
request works that's the heading they

2453
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,159
either confirm they have the information

2454
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:20,080
but they can't give it to us because of

2455
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:21,760
certain exemptions or they deny they

2456
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,080
hold the information but they cannot say

2457
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,560
we can neither confirm or deny because

2458
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,080
that would go across the board with any

2459
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:29,600
freedom of information and nobody would

2460
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,960
ever get any information you know so

2461
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:34,239
they they really don't know what they're

2462
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:35,120
doing

2463
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,560
and i do

2464
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:39,360
um gary and i will be drafting

2465
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,320
this latest foi to southwest police

2466
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:44,080
actually stating that the exemptions

2467
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,560
that they give given already will be

2468
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,400
placed as a refusal

2469
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:51,440
and if they fail to answer this one we

2470
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,800
will be writing to the commissioner and

2471
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,159
holding them in contempt and they could

2472
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,480
face criminal charges that is the bottom

2473
01:27:02,830 --> 01:26:58,960
line they will answer me because i know

2474
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:02,840
this was real yeah interesting

2475
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,000
time yeah there's lots to come and you

2476
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,760
know as i say they keep digging

2477
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,440
and the deeper they dig the more lies

2478
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,000
they tell the worse it gets for them

2479
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,920
the truth will always prevail david yeah

2480
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:15,679
sure absolutely

2481
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,560
okay you are besties now what the book

2482
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:22,080
is is available on amazon as you've said

2483
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,600
it is it's called is it's just called

2484
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:25,840
the pen turk incident it is called the

2485
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,880
pentok incident the greatest ufo

2486
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:31,040
cover-up of modern times that's it so

2487
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,440
anyway because everyone knows what it is

2488
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,120
now yeah yeah there are going to be

2489
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,800
people out there international people

2490
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,639
out there that don't know what the penta

2491
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,639
incident is so what i'll do on a

2492
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,719
paranormal dimensions page i'll put

2493
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,600
links to the book and everything and uh

2494
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,520
and if you'd like to get anyone to get

2495
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,520
into contact with you i can put links on

2496
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,400
there as well kez and gary if anybody

2497
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:55,040
out there that needs help with anything

2498
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,960
even if they just want to talk about

2499
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,840
their

2500
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:58,800
um

2501
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,159
experience then then please contact us

2502
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,679
and we have counsellors waiting to take

2503
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:05,199
their calls i'll put all the links to

2504
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:06,719
the things that i can and uh it's been

2505
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,719
great having you and gary on and you

2506
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:11,040
again sasha thanks for coming on and

2507
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,840
always a pleasure

2508
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:14,400
yeah

2509
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,560
hopefully we can say glad to meet you

2510
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:20,000
hopefully we can

2511
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,440
make it up in a few months it was a

2512
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,719
pleasure

2513
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,320
well maybe one day we'll get down to

2514
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,760
penn turk that would be nice that would

2515
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:27,360
be lovely yeah

2516
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,199
i have to try and put that on my agenda

2517
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,040
one day because uh

2518
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:32,960
as i say i haven't been to wales for

2519
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,600
probably a good 10 years 10 15 years now

2520
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:37,199
i should think it must be probably about

2521
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,629
leaving for the work

2522
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,199
so oh yeah i know what you mean yeah

2523
01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:47,199
maybe next year

2524
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:47,630
um

2525
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,800
[Music]

2526
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,320
hopefully the second phase of the

2527
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,480
investigation should be completed by

2528
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,320
next year but you know it took the

2529
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,159
police three years to answer us the last

2530
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:58,000
time so i don't hold it now do you do

2531
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:00,320
you see do you foresee another book

2532
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:03,040
follow up to this or or

2533
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,880
um

2534
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:06,639
there is a possibility i mean i had to

2535
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:09,840
reduce the information in this book from

2536
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,520
900 pages down to 297 pages because it

2537
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:15,440
was just too much so it could actually

2538
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:17,360
be you might get another edition which

2539
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,239
is

2540
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:20,960
expanded edition or something

2541
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:23,760
yes very possibly um

2542
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,719
present we are working on the second

2543
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:28,320
phase of the investigation which is

2544
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:31,040
going extremely well i mean the lies

2545
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,639
that they just keep telling just get

2546
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,199
worse for them and in some cases are

2547
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:37,360
absolutely hilarious

2548
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:39,040
um

2549
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,520
that phase but i can't at the moment

2550
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,480
yeah um we are waiting for answers well

2551
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,480
what we could do is maybe when you do

2552
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,880
know a bit more um perhaps maybe next

2553
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:52,560
year yeah maybe in the middle of next

2554
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,920
year or something perhaps we'll see

2555
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:56,000
where we are now and perhaps come back

2556
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:57,520
on the show again

2557
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,040
i'll be amazing thanks dave and and

2558
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,800
yeah i'm just gonna i'm just gonna say

2559
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,239
you know with if people are wondering

2560
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:06,400
why can't we say nothing i mean you can

2561
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,360
see

2562
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,719
just even with the release of the book

2563
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:10,800
you know we had uh someone before the

2564
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,880
book even got sold there was already

2565
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,560
someone posting a negative comment on

2566
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:16,239
that a one star thing

2567
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:17,760
and it was like you haven't even read

2568
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:23,030
just a military exercise and all that

2569
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,320
wasn't it

2570
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,159
yeah yeah

2571
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:28,080
you guys before the book was published

2572
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,480
that was posted up there yeah but then

2573
01:30:34,390 --> 01:30:32,159
but then you know as soon as a book gets

2574
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:34,400
published within 24 48 hours the field

2575
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:36,080
gets cut down

2576
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:37,920
so clearly someone is monitoring

2577
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,679
monitoring what me and cars are doing

2578
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,320
yeah right whether legally or illegally

2579
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,560
i don't know i'm not joking when i say

2580
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:46,560
i've kicked the police off my page i

2581
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,199
have kicked the cia off my page and i

2582
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,120
find that hilarious

2583
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:53,600
and that is that is the truth yeah isn't

2584
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:54,320
it

2585
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:55,760
you have done that a few times you

2586
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,440
probably more cars anyway

2587
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:59,600
yeah well it does you know they've asked

2588
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:01,360
me questions specifically about the

2589
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,040
investigation and i just tell them i'm

2590
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:05,040
not at liberty to discuss it because i

2591
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:06,320
don't want to give them their heads up

2592
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:07,840
yeah you know

2593
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:09,920
as to what we're doing because if they

2594
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,679
not if they learn what we're doing then

2595
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,520
they they sort of like

2596
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,520
run into they run into those areas like

2597
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,600
oh you know change this do that blah

2598
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:19,120
blah blah you know so we want to keep

2599
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:20,480
mommy toes and let them walk on

2600
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,560
eggshells a little bit well

2601
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,239
we tried to cut them off before they had

2602
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,560
that opportunity you know the same as we

2603
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:28,080
did with the men that came with men and

2604
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:29,600
women that came and camped in the fields

2605
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,560
here

2606
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:32,320
um the first thing i got gary to do was

2607
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:33,679
to check whether or not there'd been any

2608
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:35,360
planner permission for

2609
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:37,040
said campsite

2610
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:38,000
um

2611
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:39,840
to cut that avenue off so that they

2612
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,480
couldn't later go back and and add or

2613
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,560
yes you know vodafone had this plan

2614
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,960
permission to camp there when clearly

2615
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:48,400
they were military

2616
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:50,000
you know only the military can hide

2617
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:52,159
behind section 26

2618
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:53,040
um

2619
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:54,639
and what was so important that they had

2620
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:56,400
to come and camp and search the fields

2621
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,840
of penn

2622
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:59,679
in forensic suits using ground

2623
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:01,360
penetrating radar

2624
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:04,000
and triangulating satellites into this

2625
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:05,440
area you know

2626
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:14,149
well i guess on that note um yeah so

2627
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:15,760
hopefully we'll get you back on the show

2628
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:16,639
again

2629
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:18,639
you know middle of next year maybe and

2630
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:19,840
hopefully we should know exactly where

2631
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,800
we are

2632
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,639
bothered

2633
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,560
well hopefully if we have our answers

2634
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,560
yes and uh if not the police will be

2635
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,239
held in contempt and that should be

2636
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:30,320
interesting well yeah or we'll be in the

2637
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:32,239
middle of a court case

2638
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:35,679
anyway right we better leave

2639
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,950
message

2640
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,229
you've been listening to the paranormal

2641
01:33:02,149 --> 01:32:58,480
uk radio network i'm david young thank

2642
01:33:04,860 --> 01:33:03,590
shut up

2643
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:04,870
right

2644
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:06,840
[Laughter]

2645
01:33:10,950 --> 01:33:08,719
hello

2646
01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:10,960
unidentified flying objects

2647
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:13,440
commonly known as flying saucers

2648
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:15,760
do exist

2649
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:18,480
some kind of flying objects have been

2650
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:21,199
photographed in the sky

2651
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:23,280
if they cannot be identified as objects

2652
01:33:26,950 --> 01:33:25,440
known to man

2653
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:26,960
what are they

2654
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:29,679
if they are not man-made

2655
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:31,199
who made them

2656
01:33:42,910 --> 01:33:34,400
if they are not from this planet

2657
01:33:42,920 --> 01:34:22,310
[Music]

2658
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,890
so

2659
01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:32,950
[Music]

2660
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,030
paranormal dimensions is a regular